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07 February 2011 @ 07:19 am
Review: Pineapple Express (Part I)  
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Review: Pineapple Express (Part I)
Author: wincestuouslove 
Summary: To review the movie in a homoerotic aspect.
Hence, to disprove the term "bromance" -- a common misconceived description on the nature of the relationship -- between the two main characters, Dale and Saul.

A/N: How many homophobics watch and even like this movie without realizing it is a love story between two men?
If you think the homoerotic undertone in Sherlock Holmes (2009) is strong, as much as I love Holmes/Watson, that in Pineapple Express (2008)has the same strength, if not doubled. 

Sometimes I wonder why people keep saying the relationship between Dale Denton (played by Seth Rogen) and Saul Silver (played by James Franco) in action comedy Pineapple Express is "bromance". 


 
Dale: I gotta say, I've had, like, a lot of weed dealers in my day. You're the coolest I've ever had. They were all dicks.
Saul: Really? Thanks, man.
Dale: No problem.
Saul: I really appreciate it. That means a lot to me. It's, like, you're the first guy that I ever sold to that I became friends with. They say, like, "Don't dip the pen in company ink." I'm totally glad I dipped in your ink, bro.
Dale: Yeah... We should get out of town. That's probably our next move. Just get on a bus and leave, right? Get bus tickets. Go to the next town. Contact some police.
Saul: You know what I was saying? Like, I'm totally...
Dale: You're glad you dipped your pen in my ink. But We should get bus tickets and leave, right?
Saul: What?
Dale: Get on the bus? Leave? Buy bus tickets?
Saul: I only have, like, 50 bucks. I don't think that'll even buy one ticket.
Dale: What about your sack?
Saul: Oh, man, it's fucking killing me. I feel like I popped one.
Dale: No. That's unfortunate, but that's not what I'm talking about. I mean, like, the sack of weed. Couldn't we just,like, sell some weed... get some cash and buy bus tickets?
Saul: Of course, man. That's what I do.
Dale: That's what you do. Fucking A. 
 
Saul looks totally in love with Dale to me.


The OFFICIAL description from the movie DVD website:

It could be that the homoerotic content of Pineapple Express is placed out in the open to divert attention from its celebration of marijuana use - or maybe it's the other way round. In any case, this is unambiguously a story about two men who fall in love, even if they express their feelings mainly by sticking joints in their mouths and shooting other men with guns.



James Franco said it a thousand times that it is a LOVE STORY between a man and his drug dealer:

James: I kind of... um... see Pineapple Express as... a love story...
Seth: Mm-hmm.
James: It's kind of... you know... underpinning a love story. So... did you feel more when you're work with Kevin Corrigan... or with me?
Seth: Probably YOU. [both giggle]

James: The term is "bromance" when people are talking about Pineapple Express. Um... Milk is not exactly bromance, there's a lot of flow out male-male romance. But it certainly... I'd... I would define Pineapple Express as a love story between a drug dealer and his cilent.

James: It's great to play a stoner, a dealer with the... with the heart and be in a movie basically about a guy... a love story between a guy and his dealer, so it's great. Thank you.


An interviewer told Seth Rogen and James Franco that he prepared for the interview by watching the classic stoner comedy Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1982), which has Sean Penn played Jeff Spicoli, the night before.
When he asked Rogen and Franco if they prepared likewise before making this film, Franco said he prepared by making out with Spicoli.





In the beginning, the love is one-sided.

Dale: [phone-in] You ever dealt with a drug dealer? It's terrible, it's weird, it's awkward. They think they're your friend, but they're not.

When Dale visits his house to buy weed, Saul is so delighted to see Dale as he is chatty and touchy-feely to him. However, he does not show such affection to other cilents.

 

Saul: Have a seat. Yo, check this out. Satellite radio.
Dale: Got two TVs and radio. That's pretty rad.
Saul: That's home entertainment.
Dale: You're very entertained. Oh, wow. You got a cute picture too.
Saul: Oh, yeah. Me and my bubbe. Hey, let me ask you something.
Dale: Yeah?
Saul: Do you think you could pull the plug on someone if you needed to? Like, euthanasia?
Dale: Like, on her?
Saul: If I needed to.
Dale: I'm kind of in a hurry, man. I don't knowif we should start going down that road. I could talk all day about euthanasia. Don't get me started.
Saul: Maybe we should...
Dale: We'll save it.
Saul: Save it for next time.


Saul shares the "dopest dope", which called "Pineapple Express", ONLY with Dale.

Dale: I'm the only guy you sold it to? The other guys got snicklefritz?
Saul: Yeah. So we're, like the only guys.

 
Saul just applies body spray in the middle of their business trade. Oh why? 

When Dale tries to leave, Saul would not let go.


Dale: Well, got the weed... in the bag. Beautiful. Okay. Be careful with that thing, man. Here's the cash, grab the stash. *leaving* Alrighty, man, thanks. Have a good one. Don't hurt yourself. Adios.
Saul: Well, hey, wait a minute, man. Let's smoke this fucking thing.
Dale: I really... I can't, man. I gotta...
Saul: I can't even light this thing on my own. Yeah, I need your help, man.
Dale: I'm in. Why not? Let's do it.
Saul: *happy* Come on! Come on down!

 

Dale: Anyway, I should really get going, man. I gotta go. Duty calls, but it's good to see you. Thanks.
Saul: You're gonna smoke and run? Come on, man. We can go look at some crazy things on the Internet together.
Dale: That sounds appealing, but I think I should probably just get going.
Saul: Oh, that sucks.
Dale: Yeah.
Saul: That's cool, man. What are you doing this weekend? Because, you know, my bubbe's got season tickets to the opera... and she can't make it, so wanna go see Phantom?
Dale: Of the Opera?
Saul: Yeah.
Dale: I can't this weekend, but you know what? Here. You know... I'll run out of weed in a couple days. I'll come by, hang out.
Saul: We'll watch 227 and shit.
Dale: Definitely.
Saul: Cool, man. Well, thanks. Good to see you. Peace, brother.
Dale: Okay.
Saul: One love.

 
 
Later the rareness of the Pineapple Express gets them into a life-theatening trouble, so they hide in the wood until next day noon to seek the help from Saul's friend, Red. 

 
Saul: Fucking hand job, Dale. I mean, imagine if I gave you a hand job.
Dale: Why would I wanna do that?
Saul: I mean if I got you a hand job.

  
Saul: I'm cold.
Dale: You're cold? Oh, I'm not cold at all. Here. I run hot.
Saul: Really?
Dale: Yeah.
Saul: You got more...
Dale: Thick blood.
Saul: ... body mass.
Dale: Yeah, no, take it.
Saul: Thank you.
Dale: I don't appreciate that, but it's okay.


Saul thinks he heard something.

 

 
Next day.


Saul: Wake up. Get up. Wake up.
Dale: How did I get on you?
Saul: I wonder. 


 

To read the entire review in Part II, Part III.  


Credit to

Pineapple Express Screencaps on Fanpop for the screencaps
Drew's Script-O-Rama for the transcript
murtyeah, lawyerupasshole, scofieldingtomstlh, sogold, per-manent, fghtffyrdmnzz, sookeh, among with other equally talented artists @ tumblr for the gifs

 
 
his face, brooding and: happyhappy
driver picks: Rufus Wainwright & Teddy Tompson - King Of The Road
 
 
 
erivar: bennodaerivar on February 7th, 2011 12:34 am (UTC)
Even though i haven't seen this movie yet, i kinda already guessed it would have homoerotic undertones because Seth Rogen always star in films where he has a bromance with another male character even if there is a chick involved.
wincestuouslovewincestuouslove on February 7th, 2011 07:41 am (UTC)
Does he? I have to watch his other movies :D

Anyway, people said PE is the most hilarious one out of his works, it has been a long time for me to actually laugh out-loud during the movie, so... this have to be your Valentine Day movie :D A love story but not chessy, at all. What else should we want?

Dale actually has a teenage very pretty girlfriend, but "bro's before hoes", that's what they said, lol.

Seth and James are good friens in real life, so there's CHEMISTRY~~~ And the dialogue -- laugh my pants off!
darkrooster on February 9th, 2011 06:11 am (UTC)
Rogen/Goldberg bromance novels
Latest example? Green Hornet. When I saw trailer I made bet with myself that James Franco turns up in film someplace, and sure enough he does a cameo, lol.
wincestuouslove: :Dwincestuouslove on February 9th, 2011 07:44 pm (UTC)
Re: Rogen/Goldberg bromance novels
I saw his clip on Youtube. Seth and James are starting to appear on each other's movies. Too bad James was not in the same scene with Seth in The Green Hornet.
darkrooster on February 9th, 2011 09:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Rogen/Goldberg bromance novels
I would have LOVED that.
Re: Rogen/Goldberg bromance novels - wincestuouslove on February 9th, 2011 09:28 pm (UTC) (Expand)
darkrooster on February 9th, 2011 09:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Rogen/Goldberg bromance novels
I'll be interested to see if Seth turns up on the Oscars since James is one of the hosts this year. Maybe they'll do another Dale/Saul vignette!
Re: Rogen/Goldberg bromance novels - wincestuouslove on February 9th, 2011 09:33 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Rogen/Goldberg bromance novels - darkrooster on February 9th, 2011 09:40 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Rogen/Goldberg bromance novels - wincestuouslove on February 9th, 2011 09:54 pm (UTC) (Expand)
ckllckll on February 7th, 2011 07:56 am (UTC)
I MUST RENT THAT DVD NOW!!
wincestuouslove: :Dwincestuouslove on February 7th, 2011 08:11 am (UTC)
And watch it on Valentine's Day :D
There's extended version in the DVD and the extra scenes are just hilarious.
And then there's an alternative ending which Dale holding Saul's hand *oh god*.

And then the gag reel, LOL, You remember near the ending, Saul was lying unconciously on the field?
Between the takes, James playfully pretnded to scratch Seth's testicles but ended up accidentally touched them, he rolled away and they both laugh embarrassely.
Seth was like: "Hahahahaha, You got them. Hahahaha, I got to the second base."
darkrooster on February 9th, 2011 04:29 am (UTC)
gag reel
The gag reel was great, especially all the Seth and James extras.
wincestuouslove: :Dwincestuouslove on February 9th, 2011 07:42 pm (UTC)
Re: gag reel
There's not enough James extras :( But the "scenod base" part is priceless. Why did he have to do that? So wrong :D
Re: gag reel - darkrooster on February 9th, 2011 09:18 pm (UTC) (Expand)
darkrooster on February 9th, 2011 06:15 am (UTC)
Saul and Dale, James and Seth
Wow! You put a lot of work into this site, dude, lol. Love all the great pix, gifs and vid clips! PE is very much a love story between Saul and Dale. It's a shame James and Seth didn't follow their example, huh? They'd make a dynamite couple. Too bad Seth got engaged to his longtime girlfriend last month.
wincestuouslove: slashy lenswincestuouslove on February 9th, 2011 07:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Saul and Dale, James and Seth
Hi. Thank you so much. Saul is so so cute and obviously in love with Dale. People are neither oblivious or has bias.

How did you find this post btw?
There are part 2 & 3 in my lj. Please click the tag "movie: pineapple express" or "pairing: dale/saul" or "jerk: james franco" on the right if you're interested.

Even though Seth and James are heterosexual (in public), they always have a strong desire to work on the homosexuality and homoerotic materials, especially Franco.
As long as they keep being open-minded, I am satisfied.

Does James give you a bi vibe or not? I know he has a girlfriend but...
darkrooster on February 9th, 2011 09:14 pm (UTC)
Re: Saul and Dale, James and Seth
James? Oh yeah, definitely. Seth, too.
wincestuouslovewincestuouslove on February 9th, 2011 09:22 pm (UTC)
Re: Saul and Dale, James and Seth
Seth too? Oh crap. No wonder James could touch his balls not so accidentally and they both could laugh it off.

Have you ever heard of Ted Casablanca's column in E!Online?
Re: Saul and Dale, James and Seth - darkrooster on February 9th, 2011 09:29 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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darkrooster on February 9th, 2011 09:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Saul and Dale, James and Seth
I stumbled onto your link when I looked at LJ Pineapple Express community search.